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Talk:GoonSwarm

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This looks like the entire article was written by a member of GoonSwarm. I've heard a variety of nasty things about the Swarm since I started playing EVE a few weeks ago. Is this summary accurate? Is there a dissenting opinion?

Thanks! ~Rialyn


The article is actually fairly non-point-of-view. One could accuse it of not citing sources or remaining absolutely neutral or accurate, but this isn't wikipedia, and nobody has the time to police these things. If it were up to me, I'd disallow the History sections of each Alliance article, and limit the included information to static facts that are easily referenced. If it were up to most wikipedians... the entire wiki would have to be deleted.

--Zxc-vbn 18:22, 14 December 2007 (PST)

I like the idea of a history section but its often difficult for the writers to be neutral in their writing. Take for example this snippet "Goonswarm shrugged off the loss of their first Titan." Thats the whole glass is half full / half empty, it clearly shows which side is writing this history section. Makes u wonder about when you read your world history books, in real life. As my history teacher said "The winner writes history" --Dasfry 13:22, 17 July 2008 (PDT)

One of the books by/about Richard Feynman talked a bit about his being on a school board and approving math books. It's more the Publisher writes the history books (or controls the editing thereof) to ensure the most sales. </digression>--Eirik Ratcatcher 16:18, 17 July 2008 (PDT)
Interesting I didn't look at it from that point of view --Dasfry 01:22, 18 July 2008 (PDT)
Back on topic though I'd like to see history of an alliance written in a objective manner but I wonder if such a thing is even possible --Dasfry 01:22, 18 July 2008 (PDT)
As was mentioned (on, I think Talk:Brutally Clever Empire) elsewhere, we have enough trouble getting editors to write things at all, let alone NPOV. On the other hand, if you want to take a stab at making the POV more neutral, please actually DO so. I know pretty much nothing about the topics being discussed, so any editing I made would be merely changes in word choices, not in substance. (Consider yourself prodded...) --Eirik Ratcatcher 09:05, 18 July 2008 (PDT)
I would love to see these rewritten in NPOV by someone who is an "EVE historian". I haven't played long enough to know much about the history of either, so I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it myself. It would be great to find an EVE journalist or someone who has covered the history before who would be willing to help. Meta Tinara 11:31, 18 July 2008 (PDT)
I have done a lot of work on covering the history of eve, its the one thing that keeps me in game. The corporation I am in even have their very own history written out in detail, but I completely agree with Erik's point but I also have another to add. Unless I was there at the time of the event, I would not write about it because after all, hearing the information from certain sources is never the... most efficient way to write a history because of bias. Also, if I was there at the time of the event I would probally have some bias opinions as well. I very much doubt you will be able to find someone to do it...
In an off topic note, I remember the days when GS barely even existed in Eve :p Did anyone see the add campains they did?
That brings me back on topic actually, someone should check with the eve-tv guys that used to be around (or could still be around) and see if they are willing to contribute. --Inyoureye4 00:54, 3 November 2008 (PST)


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